I think youre right, most neighborhood cats get it from coyotes. If so I would like to speak to the person who proved that beyond a doubt and find out the scientific method and theory they used to come to that conclusion. Also noted a power line cut through that area and suspect this animal uses line or the edge for access. Jim Unless this cat is reincarnated, that nice story looks pretty muddy. A couple of animals ping ponging between the borders does not make a viable population regardless how they got here. Loping across the street – from the left (passenger side of the car) to the woods on my left. He told me he saw the tails. They need to raise awareness because it is the last thing you think you will encounter on a stroll through the Hopyard or your own backyard etc. with prior experience. hey jay i could tell you in a minute . There is no room for the bears that have taken up residents and that is going to bring a need to hunt to regulate this magnificant animal. The ghost trackers never see a ghost whereas a little boy does. nck, doc & kris last fall i was riding my bike up by Winchester center .a large tan cat, the size of a German shepherd, popped out of the woods onto the road about 100 ft in front of me. I occasionally see scat, maybe a few prints, but if I had to prove that we had bears or fox or anything else in the state by producing a carcass I would be in trouble. ive hiked that set of woods many times i would love to at least get a glimpse. Even in states with substantial ML populations rarely, if ever, suffer an attack. Ludlowe Middle School Having this farmer confirm it is pretty good. Kinda cool he knew about it as well. I have no faith in USF&W making any determination as they will only farm out the data and come to an inconclusive result as always. Like him may here are well established, sensible people, and definitely have seen one, and not able to forget what they have seen. I’m a birder and spend much of my time outdoors. Hello, http://www.cryptomundo.com/index.php?s=cougar. This woman had been visited by bears rather on a number of occasions. This mountain lion represents a unique research opportunity for the Department since the animals are secretive and because biologists have had few other opportunities to study them up close in Oklahoma. The first time I was quite surprised, I had only seen them in patagonia and Colorado previously. I personally know of five people who are outdoorsmen and truly know their animals who have seen MLs in Ct and never reported them to DEP. Why shouldn’t a mouse be? As he described it, it was more like a mountain lion than a dog, and was pretty sure it wasn’t no dog! But if people are seeing these animals now, do they deserve to be helped? a gorgeous white owl, HUGE! Back to the cat… I have known Bobcats to live on my properties here in CT and NY. The Mpuntain lion exists to our northern borders and to our southern. If you need any help finding which ones have enough power, let me know. NE, as I have been using it, refers to the northeast not to New England. It was about 4:30 in the morning and on a long stretch of road I spotted eyes on the left of us, about 30 feet away. But, IF the only “evidence” needed by the authorities to declare the animal as “real” is a large number of sightings, well, start making room for BIGFOOT, WEREWOLVES, MARTIANS, SHADOW PEOPLE, ETC. The epic journey was the longest ever recorded for a mountain lion. But now people are seeing these animals in their backyards! I also agree with most people that there are ML in CT. A friend reports seeing one jump as high as 6? Don They just are not detailed enought to say from the pictures. I know someone who tracked one, this is an avid tracker and wildlife photographer who has done it all over the country. Again the land you see was not that way at the turn of the century. It definitely was not a coyote and the color and body profile was all wrong for a bobcat. You did not see any either, but you agree it is possible. I would recommend if you have not already done so, that you contact your animal control officer with your details. We’ve had a black bear, moose, plenty of bobcats and a photograph taken in town of a wolf (could be a stray hybrid, but it’s still on the loose whatever it may be). My nephew,Tyler was on his way to work and it ran in front of his car. They keep going until they find what they are looking for. * A friend in-the-know once told me that the state will NEVER admit to cougars because it has something to do with very complicated federal regulations and funding. He is absolutely positive this was a mountain lion. You be the judge. You also can’t pinpoint down to a particular number of a species left either. The eastern cougar is extinct. Hi, I saw one of these one moth ago in my backyard. But, again….I WANT these creatures here….I just want the REAL info passed on to residents, not a fairy tale composed by the rainbow family full of BS on how these things are harmless. What did Brad Yaegers friend see in 58 – possible a mountain lion but not an eastern mountain lion. The 140-pound mountain lion was killed; Lacson was uninjured. He’s the one who hears of all the mis sightings that they’ve investigated. Some experts suspect this could be the same animal filmed by a trail camera in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, leading wildlife experts to map its likely path from the U.S. into Ontario Canada, circling the Great Lakes and eventually crossing back into New York and Connecticut. I’ve had deer stare at me from 15 feet away for more than 10 minutes, blow at me, stamp their feet at me and then just walk away thinking that I was just part of the tree I was leaning against. Within 4 hours of the mountain lion being killed, the same d.e.e.p officers who deny their existance were searching and recovered the dead mountain lion, then questioned all homes in the area. How about tracks? If the Governor of Texas can shoot ‘yotes while he is jogging, so can you. You need other dna to maintain a viable population. Joy, a fisher “is a medium-size mammal native to North America. . Great post, but I hope you recover and don’t let the name calling get to you. To me, thats hard to believe, that an animal that size is that agile. I told a friend who lives near there and he did not believe me (as everything has to be proven to him…even though his sister has pics of her sightings). I just read about 200 apparent sightings in the state of CT from at least 25 different towns. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s just a bureaucracy sticking to the party line. Here in Massachusetts, the DCR, better known as the Department of Conservation & Recreation have their own theorys on the subject of mountain lions here in the Bay State. On the morning on Thursday, August 11th 2011 a friend and I saw what we believe was absolutely a mountian lion. So all in all, I don’t find the lack of trail cam pics all that surprising….at least not here in Ct. As an aside on the validity of ML “sightings”…. There no land markers just woods, and fields. Eagles..bald and golden. The 140-pound male cat was also believed to be the mountain lion that was reported seen near Greenwich, Conn. a week ago. Whether eastern or western strain the DEP needs to consult and come up with a story that can stand the test of time. i had about 10 TC’s and they all went missing in one night out here in torrington i was pissed you need to do something more then that leave the cat alone hes not bothering you right i see some one messing with that cat i will shoot you not him! I also thought that yotes were year round open season in CT, no?? Curious how did the animal carry its tail that you recall? "The only reason I know it was a mountain lion is it had a long tail and was red," he said. The Service will work closely with state partners, non-governmental organizations and the public to identify areas with the potential for success before taking any steps to reintroduce the species. The one I saw was definitely a mountain lion. CRAZY! I know i can, ive seen it more than once and observed it licking its paw for close to 3 minutes one evening. CT is fair lousy with Coyotes and nobody worries much about it. You know, I don’t feel the same way about yotes as I do about ML. Some of us tend to believe more in your words than DEP’s because people who are in the woods a lot has higher probability of seeing a mountain lion. On January 1st 2011 , my best friend and I were driving home (also not saying where to protect the animal’s well being)..we took a turn and there was an animal so we slowed down and put the high beams on. The animal couldn’t care less, and eventually went out of sight, probably following us on the mile trek back to the house. DNA analysis of the mountain lion that made headlines in November after being struck and killed by a vehicle near Minco has confirmed that the cat was a wild animal with genetic ties to populations in the Black Hills region of South Dakota. I am not understanding it. No gun has EVER killed anyone. When you hear someone reference a black panther that generally means a black jaguar. AND Mountain Lion…like I said she came every morning, (early…sunrise) for 3 days digging in the torn up septic fields next door. I don’t know how to describe, but my mother saw this cat and it was not a bobcat. The Service recognizes that reintroduction is critical to achieving full recovery of the species, but due to lack of public awareness and acceptance, panther reintroduction is not feasible at this time. DNA tests show that tissue from the Milford mountain lion matches the genetic structure of the mountain lion population in the Black Hills region of South Dakota. In addition to these public lands there are 10s of thousands of more acres of privately owned woodland…..all of it within 15 miles of where I am sitting. I must say doc you sound convincing (as you have in all of your posts) but suggesting there is some kind of illegal releasing of puma’s by a rogue movement is stretching it quite a bit. They found long scratches on the wood frame of the screen door, and the screen had been torn all to hell. Do you REALLY think this report by an animal control officer is going to put an end to the argument? and they just dont want to do that at this piont…when more attacks and deaths happen they will be subject to think otherwise for the future. http://www.acorn-online.com/joomla15/eastoncourier/news/localnews/99647-mountain-lion-killed-in-milford-traveled-here-from-south-dakota.html. I had a brief glimpse of a bobcat once. You can drive for hundreds of miles without seeing signs of civilization. Other wild mountain lions documented in Oklahoma also have tested positive for Black Hills origins, such as the female captured in the city limits of Tulsa last year and another believed to have been killed by a train in 2004 near Red Rock. Thats another reason why I find all these tons of sightings not 100% believable. Seems like there are more cats in this state than I thought. The USF&W current guideline adopts the Young & Goldman taxonomy which states there are/were 15 subspecies in North America. Any NYers out there? Thanks Shirley, i’m going to try to find this and get it on the page. Spoke to DEP guys a number of times. At about 3:20 am between Norfolk and Winsted, an animal ran across the road. So what now? Of note, I was sent the photos mentioned in post 389 by Dee, and although they do remain in the possible category only because of the quality, they are very compelling as is her discription. by Robert Tougias…, You can by it On-line at BN.com or Amazon.com. Whats next?? Ok. That guy with the degrees and awards. http://poststar.com/news/blotter/dec-confirms-wild-mountain-lion-in-lake-george/article_f70da502-ca83-11e0-b0bf-001cc4c03286.html. If this one animal could travel to CT, why can’t others. I know the animal that ran in front of my car three years ago in Cornwall was a mountain lion. Which begs the question of what happens when an escaped female runs into an escaped male at the right time of year. Unfortunately that won’t bring a dead person back to life. They were not the least bit interested and clearly did not believe that I knew what I was talking about. My brother suggested I report it to the DEP but I get the impression they wouldn’t believe me. You can make a good guess by studying what increases in the food chain below that animal but you can never be exact. Just like me. Probably upstate NY as well. such as trying to attract the animals with food, or getting aggressive with denning mother lions. A person who feels he or she may have been discriminated against or would like further information should write: Director, Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation, P.O. Now look at Eds post. The Forest Service lab also compared the Milford mountain lion’s DNA to DNA samples collected from individual animals occurring outside of the core South Dakota population. What else could it be? It is going to take child getting mauled for anyone to belive it. I think they look like beavers with cat like faces. Mountain lion in Westport? Strangest sight. I suppose what you saw could have been one of DEP’s “released or escaped pets” that was accustomed to loud human voices, but the notion that any wild animal, especially any as people shy as mountain lions, would stick around when people were yelling 17 yards from it is not terribly credible. Yet she ventured out to the houses most likely because there was easy food. They are “gadgets” that are purchased far more than they are used. Likewise in every picture of bobcat or lynx that I can find, their hair is not short and dense, but instead more like a medium haired cat. In my own backyard, which happens to be wooded with a large rock cliff, I spotted a mountain lion sunning itself on the rocks and eventually getting up to drink melted snow that had collected. call me if you need a pistol permit ! Now, the sightings on the official Missouri Dept. I would like to know what Officer Hilli now thinks about Mountain Lions in the state with the cat being killed in Milford and the pictures from Greenwich. Oh…and doesn’t it stike anyone as weird that in states where the ML is AN FACT….MOST sightings are from hunters, bikers,campers,…..in otherwords, people who actually spend TIME in the woods, but in CT, it almost, if EVER, an outdoorsman, but people driveing, or walking or looking out the window?? I am relieved that police notified administrators at Meadowpond Elementary School. I mean its kinda in the middle of no where. Response to Realtor Greg’s comments about mountain lion. I have a funny feeling it will come back as western strain. As to a hunting license…”Back in the day” you didn’t need a license to hunt small game on your own property. "The state [Connecticut] explains any cougar evidence, such as the recent mountain lion killed in Milford, as an escaped pet [or one that came from the Mid-West]," Mr. Betty said in an e-mail. Lion sightings in Massachusetts are reported quite regularly and for those who make those reports to the DCR, the response is pretty much the same…”Mountain Lions do not exist in Massachusetts”. 63 in Watertown heading towards Morris, I had enough time and going slow enough for him to cross the road very slowly and watch him disapear into the woods, no doubt in my mind it was a cougar…, Joe B – any more specifics that you recall, color, size, features, time of day direction it was heading and where about on 63 (about), Doc- What is frustrating for people is that they receive no validation for their observations from the DEP and possible that is done on purpose. Look at Utube. They are most likely using them to control the ever increasing deer population in the state. I think that most people on this website just want the state of Connecticut to issue the same guidance to the general public. needless to say my children wont be playing outside after dark any more! The DEC is comfortable saying that all the people reporting mountain lion sightings are delusional. I saw one, I saw the very long tail, I got a good look at it, and no, it was not a bobcat. I am the second person to see this mountain lion in a week in hebron ct. But just to clarify, we were INSIDE the house, the lion was OUTSIDE. We did not get a good look at the tale. However, these animals show up like ghosts. Santuary’s are full and in their heart they see that pet running wild feeding on the abundance of deer. I have trouble seeing how so many illegal pet cougars escape/get released. Repeatedly CT DEP has claimed the closest ML population / confirmed sightings were in Florida, ignoring both Quabbin Res & Quebec. The introduction of other subspecies to the historical range of the eastern cougar and the protection or management of other cougar subspecies dispersing or released into that range falls under the jurisdiction of the states. Now some may claim that just because this mountain lion was here, it doesn’t mean that it was from here, but just because you are from originally from Indiana and you move to CT it doesn’t mean that you are still a resident of Indiana. More hunting? On the repopulation of several species. Thanks again for taking the time to answer my question. Some as you say are looking for that trophy buck but others just like to collect wildlife photos. As he walked into the kitchen he caugt site of a black animal with it’s head part way through the screen door to the kitchen. Most know it as the new construction that sat for a few years unfinished. When we saw it we had NO IDEA that there was any controversy over them. Answer Save. They understand there are some animals out there its just their origin they question and being that they are declared officially extinct the source is considered a released or excaped pet. You took quite a few pictures, good job Dee! On a side note…..I was out last night about 7pm…..there was a Bobcat yowling across the road fairly close by. One, because its the hunters and fishers that give actual $$ to the state, $$ that SHOULD go into DEP interests (though Im not politically astute enough to know whether or not the money ACTUALLY GOES to where it is supposed to. He said it was pretty big and muscular. Yet she barks excessively when coyotes, bobcats or any other wildlife approaches. I did not see much detail at all. Sharon First Selectman Robert Loucks said he has not seen mountain lions in Connecticut. Now, that story sounded fishy….so I admit that there MAY be a reluctance on the part of DEP to admit the presence of ML…..BUT…..LETS GET SOME REAL EVIDENCE….Its gonna snow (hopefully) soon, how bout a track or two? Since I gave up trapping long ago, I haven’t paid much attention to the Fisher Cats. Don’t you recall the instant claim it was an “escaped pet”? She was an intelligent woman, not given to fanciful imaginings, and in fact I don’t think she even realized that pumas could possibly be in CT. Which my mother definitely wasn’t. I’m sure they exist, why not ? They would never admit to it as if one of those cats chews up some little child playing outside , could you see the lawsuits. They know that the animals are spreading out to other states, and there is plenty of evidence. I think that cat was way to big to be a wild native. Now, they put the bear down, and they say that the woman INSISTED on putting it down. The second picture with the cat standing and looking to the left says bobcat to me because of the mottled appearance/color of the hide but that could be because of the shade. Mountain Lion was the only one I could not rule out. On Friday, August 6, I saw a large, reddish animal with a long tail step out onto the trail. But I do not believe that the DEC is releasing pumas. “Trail-cams” are mostly used by trophy hunters to locate a potential trophy buck. This was in Terryville, CT. Just going to take a while before DEP admits they are so full of ship that their eyes have turned brown. Every single yote I blast their brains all over the ground the better. Always a promise a pic, or scat, or print…and NEVER is one posted…… I’m not the dep….. so I believe the sightings that state they saw a long tail…. Especially when a poster mentions a TAIL Generally not a problem but they love to eat and the easier the meal the better the reason they are successfully hunted over bait up north. The cat in that picture was not too big, color… very similar. LOTS of bears up here in the Litchfield Hills. And not to get off the subject….shroom hunting…..check out HEN OF THE WOODS. As far as Eastern Gray Wolves – there use to be a couple in a zoo outside worcester. In 1958, a boyhood friend of mine was visiting East Rock Park outside New Haven. I have a good friend who is a DEP conservation officer. Everybody knows this, but nobody will tell. For years DEP has said that if their are any they are released or escaped pets. Without an after-thought we all ran up the fire watch tower with amazing speed! Officials with the Wildlife Department rely on the public to report verifiable sightings, photos and reports of mountain lions to help document the species in Oklahoma. Puma. The other thing notable was the face. But that what the dep said i saw. if I recall correctly, it was in 1960. I contacted my client who’s is also named Greg and left him a message I know he lives in Windsor Ct now. 3) A private (and probably illegal) restocking effort by some sort of self professed environmentalist. Hopefully DEP can acknowledge this fact without forcing themselves to spend vast quantities of money to comply with the ESA. It was one of the scariest encounters ive had up there, I would certainly not recommend going out there at night without being prepared. i see mountain lions all the time in ct when i’m riding or hiking…9/3/2012. Thanks for the pics Dee. 2,461 Posts . Look at Corbin Park in NH where they had a population of buffalo, elk, wild boar and other odd animals even cougars introduced as part of a hobby animal park. Yeah, I feel silly……but, who knows….maybe, just maybe, it will come in handy someday. Same when I go to Wyoming to hunt Antelope every year. It swished a long tail, crouched and then leaped up onto the opposite side of the trail in a motion that could be only be described as feline. contact Robert the author with questions..a friend of mine and very eager to answer questions or hear reported sightings.. We didn’t give it much thought at the time; why would cougars be extinct? It seems though there has been a rash of sightings lately in CT. Without that finger no gun will EVER hurt anyone. But when you say you are not a “crazy gun nut” you demean the value of anything you say. I haven’t checked the validity of his comments, but it sounds like something typical. But the more lone wanderers there are, the better the chances there is a breeding population. I lived on Mountain Road and behind our house there was a city metal water reservoir and after that there was a path that led into the woods. I live in Westchester, CT and know that we also have mountain lions in this area. I checked out that Missouri ML sighting website. In response to all you non believers, critics, and skeptics, i respond with dignity, I will once again proclaim the existence of sasquatches, i have seen them myself. I think they are coming back in to the area from the North and North West. Hmmm interesting. Well, I for one believe that there are mountain lions in CT, whether they are transient animals who have migrated their way through to CT or they are actually from a remaining population that still possibly exists, they are here. A threat to livestock, they were hunted out of the state and driven to parts more wild. A mountain lion hit on the road in Milford a month ago. Paul Too damn many. Introduction of the animals by human means is really pretty stupid. And I have been for almost 50 years And as I mentioned…..no pistols and no “assault rifles”…..though I am thinking about getting one just to piss off the liberals. To me, unless the I have heard of a Mountain lion sighting many times in Milford from inlaws that live there. Nice posting lori. And, if a former ‘pet’ meets up with a ‘wild’ mountain lion of the opposite sex they will breed. http://sz0062.wc.mail.comcast.net/zimbra/mail?app=mail#11, One would have to be pretty foolish to think that these two MLs were the only ones that liked to travel. And being part of that cycle is a blessing and a priviledge. She gave me a list of possible animals and I google imaged them. As of today police are chasing an escaped one in Canton Ohio and are investigating the illegal possession of three more mountain lions in an exotic animal dealer from that town where the escaped one came from. All you need is some cash, a suitable crate and a trip to Ohio where they have several exotic pet sales each year. Good point Kris, about the trail cam idea. For those of you from other regions of the U.S. a mountain lion is no big deal.But here in C.T. For the rest of us, surprised by the unexpected, phone cameras if lucky do not photograph quick enough. ive never seen a mountain lion here, but i do believe some of the mountain lion sightings to be credible. That shut quite a few people up. I hunt ’em pretty hard, but I wish I had some good farm land to hunt ’em on where I could use a .223. Joy Peggy, The coyotes ran on the crust of the snow and brought the deer down easily. http://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Residents-warned-about-possible-mountain-lion-at-1844565.php. Tom Pond about 10 yrs. Even if it probably won’t be me. I pointed out in earlier posts that CT was mostly clearcut in colonial time with an estimated remaining population of deer at 20 animals. A lot of what you will need to use for yotes will depend on how rural the area you live in is and what your relationship with your neighbors is. Very little old growth exists to this day in CT and I would encourage you to read aboult old new england to get a better understanding of this. On the flip side many a driver this fall wish they had a better chance against the deer with their vehicles as they jumped out in front of them. Everyone delves in this type of fantasy, because it is fun to believe in. http://www.lohud.com/article/20120417/NEWS02/304170110/Mountain-lion-Lewisboro-Not-likely-cops-say. Dad flipped on the lights as the animal was pulling out backward. Randy’s dad worked second shift. You will have to elaborate on the shrimp cocktail question. And to ad, I know what a mountain lion looks like. Its that simple, if you are truly seeing these animals, and even if you dont have a camera with you when you see them… go back with one and look for evidence…, Thanks for the note. The eastern cat is extict. I was talking to someone today & they said they knew someone who got a photo. 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